I would recommend that you go visit a TrackMan certified coach, he/she will be able to help you with your club speed. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. How can that be true. STEAL THESE FROM ME! I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. That's what I think. show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer. 2 were over 320. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I'll pass. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes. What is fascinating also though as you dig more into the figures is the distance control options the best players in the world have with almost every club in their bag! Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: Exactly, I had the same perception in mind too. My total yardage for my 7 iron is 190, my ball speed is 119 mph. At the Sony Open, Thomas became the youngest player to shoot 59 on the PGA TOUR and broke the TOURs 72-hole scoring record by a stroke. Should my ball speed be faster based on the distance Im getting. It's the short game. The 12 felt good but the 8 slid through the turf and cushioned the ball off the face. I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Shafts:KBS Tour 125 S+, Putter: TaylorMade Spider GT The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. Dustin Johnson can hit a putter 400 yards Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Spin: 3811. [/quote] Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. Open navigation menu. #TeamTrackMan Justin came from 7 strokes back to start the final round at the 2022 PGA Championship which ties the largest final round comeback in PGA Championship history. The trend right now with wedge play for all manufacturers is lowering the ball flight on the full shots. The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. It should make you a little. And that was 12 years ago. i suggested he play white from the start and he is happy. They must get club speed confused with ball speed, Cough Some people may exaggerate slightly , Hi My ball speed is with driver 195 km/h AND 160 km/h with a 6 iron Schaft = rgular or ???? [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Stay up to date and receive free notifications of new posts by email. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Physics First. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. My home course is around 6200 so I can work around not bombing it off the tee but it is perplexing to me. The average USGA handicap for male golfers has been between 14.0 and 15.0 since 2005. Spin Rate 2,645.8 Scotty Squareback and Odyssey OG #7, Srixon ZX5 MKII Irons 4-PW Like New and a Titleist U505 4 Iron, OG Nike TW13 PING i59 irons Vessel Stand bag (trade). More photos from the event here. Odyssey Metal X Milled #1. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX, Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Is it around 25-35% less than the AMA group? I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. The data results given in this article are completely skewed. Grip: SuperStroke Traxion Flatso 1.0. a lower loft) or a touch weaker (i.e. My hunch its even bigger for AFA vs AMA? I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. As far as a Trackman goes.I've used it once. They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. Skill Triumphs Over All! I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. [b]XHP 3-Deep (13)- 7.3X @ 43.5 People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. Does Trackman update this data each year? Finally, course strategy is an improvement that can be made without having to change anything relating to the swing, technique, or other physical items. When it comes to looking at how far the pros hit their wedges the stock yardage they hit each club is again obviously only one of the multiple yardages they can hit the most versatile clubs in any players golf bag. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. And it just isnt true.well at least not on average. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. God how I loved playing golf. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. It's good for some laughs. [/quote] May I ask how many of them have 120 mph swing. I have the occasional outlier above 250 but thats rare. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. The longest player hits it 320 yards The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. The TrackMan Combine data collected from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world will be used to analyze his performance in hopes of better understanding where improvement(s) can be made. Did your coach share the TrackMan report with you on mytrackman.com ? Official driving distance is only measured on two holes per round, which means you might get 50-60 shots in a year. The following chart shows average handicap versus average club speed. In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. With a collection of prestigious wins, including the 2017 FedExCup, 2017 PGA Championship, 2021 PLAYERS and 2022 PGA Championship, Justin Thomas is known to many as a celebrated professional on the PGA TOUR. The AMA has a reported handicap of 14 or 15. Jon has proven that he is able to compete at the And for those golfers looking to make more substantial improvements to their game, the TrackMan Combine provides a roadmap for the improvement journey and accurate, immediate feedback at all checkpoints / stops along the way. The following graph shows a plot of the AMAs shots from 160 yards. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. The data has been collected through the TrackMan Combine from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world. That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. Why gather data from an elite course where people line up to play when that is far from representative of what most people are doing? Average club speed was 105-112, average ball speed was 139-152, and average rpm was between 4400-5100. I would say probably is bs. Have a look at his numbers. Mine isnt that much higher and i hit driver 275 yards. [/quote] Please have a look at the TrackMan locator at this link; https://mytrackman.com/public/locator, Kind regards Niklas Bergdahl Support Manager. My question is my average D is +5.3, 6I is +3.5 and 8I is +2.1. You can check the combine driver stats here: https://mytrackman.com/#combine. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php, Short hitter compared to the average WRXer. Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. The 22 years old Jon Rahm, is one of the new upcoming stars on the European and PGA Tour. In 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. This data further confirms the need for most golfers to aim towards the center of the green on all approach shots. SM5 53, 59 I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? They were measured with GPS. [/quote] As such, this article will focus on the performance of the average male amateur (AMA). TrackMan - Did you see Justin Thomas' TrackMan numbers? . TI Taylormade SIM Ti (15.4) Tensei CK Pro Blue 80X Smash Factor 1.475 Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 [/quote] [/quote] My SM8 wedges are a few years old and have played over the recommended 75 rounds. I agree with you 100%. All too many golfers go to the course and hit every shot in the hope its the best shot theyve ever hit. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? Their experiences, time away from family, and willingness to sacrifice their lives for our freedom has truly made an impact on Justin. Upload or insert images from URL. [/quote] Please have a look at this video about Smash Factor. Justin is that really you?? Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high It's good for some laughs. I can say that Trackman is second to none, and its always my first recommendation to others. ?, G#"% y\$)3(Q|1$xNyt7"g \)hEhH-hFtL+x Desired launch angle, spin rates change based on driver speed. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] I ultimately decided on the Tour AD DI 6X as a better choice. Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. 19* SLDR Resuce // Speeder 9.3s I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? Simmer down, all. Couldn't of said it any better myself. A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. I seem to have the same speed as pro women and they are playing the same distances that I am but scoring way way lower with a game built from precision over speed. WebJustin Thomas TrackMan Numbers Congratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! Bob Vokey makes the best wedges for the best players in the world on behalf of Titleist. If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. also his AoD on the stinger. 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? And a good part of the reason for that is the average golfer often watches with wonder as the best players on the PGA GolfingFocus.com was created simply as a place to allow us to try and find answers to common golfing questions asked, and problems faced, by all standards of golfer. There is the same classic stamping on the sole with the BV logo in the middle, SM9 written towards the toe and Vokey Design nearer the heel. G.O.A.T.? Trap draw? That's not Justin, that's Johnny. Its a whole different story. Im wondering if there are outliers here?. Top 50 Pros Analysis. When you take the wedge out of the bag you notice the fuller toe, and there is more material behind the head. Im a 42 year old 59 and been playing golf since I was 35. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Trackman Data on PGA Tour Averages Hit It Longer Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. You can use our TrackMan Locatortofind your local TrackMan certified and ask for a combine test. Distance is great. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. How to Hit Massive Drives! Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Lj\gUk':Q9d P\Ko?#sU;:MRk;'FTz![]wJQRL/"&Xp]q%F"S4y_fY;<5PemA,YosVrs>l6:cc [/color] While the length of the course is an important factor in scoring, more so is the challenging greens and required approach shots. Again, I would certainly encourage you to get fitted for these due to the variations on offer and especially get fitted on grass as a mat does not give any useful feedback on interaction needed for bounce and grind. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom, 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) In the bag I think the wedges looks great. He is giving up 30 yards of total distance off the tee, which makes his approach shots more difficult. All rights reserved, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Charles-Lambert-video-2.mp4, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Justin-Thomas-2.mp4, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/20220908_125734.mp4. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. If it's a really short par 4, I will hit an iron, hybrid, or fairway wood to play to that ideal distance range. Launch angle was between 17-22. Top 100 Player Analysis, drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players, How Do Pros Hit the Ball So Far? I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. This is something Im finding out at a 14 handicap. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. So just to confirm what we are indeed up against we took a detailed look at just how far the top pros are hitting their clubs. WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas ! Thanks this will help my golf game so much now. I carry my 8 iron about 158 yards when Im hitting it good (see above). It is vital for them to know exactly how far they hit their wedges with a variety of different types of shots because feel is so important from those short distances, especially at the top level of the game, where a yard or two can make the difference between winning or losing a tournament. #:>PC"ljTTZ!@8[+D py"4]F: }X@`*0gIiF1|fv3cp{c?9EkD!j> All that strength comes from the lower body. My average club separation is about 15 yards. Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. To fix that we changed to the new wedge with fresh grooves and made it a degree flatter to straighten my flight up. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. Lets go one step further and use the TrackMan Combine data to see what kind of proximity to hole the AMA will be able to achieve at the various approach distances. It's good for some laughs. Imagine throwing darts as the commentary teams say on television. [/quote] My handicap is 24, but my driving (swing) works well. Please limit the number of items and requests. Ha, okay. My average driving distance is 240 but IF I can make a shot in the sweet spot (Stars Aligned after a long Prayer) I can go 290 to 300 measured on the golf course. Am I as good as tour pro? Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF Greater distancethe eternal quest for golfers. I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. I can hit the ball a long ways, that doesn't make me full of bs. So next time the announcer says that someone is hitting a 5 iron from 223, keep in mind that its mostly conditions, and note where the ball actually carries. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) If it's a longer hole, I'll play the driver. Executive Director, The First Tee of Louisville, Jennifer Helgeson The first chart, with the club speed distribution, is that only for hcp 14-15 golfers? The average drive on tour last year was 289 yards. Titleist 913D3 9.5* Diamana D+ 72s [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. On the LPGA Tour the top women pros carry a 3-wood 195 yards, a 5-wood 185 yards and a 7-wood 174 yards on average. work on your short game. Launch Angle 11.28 TrackMan - Have a look at Justin Thomas' swing and | Facebook Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. More photos from the event here. Launch Angle 11.28 It has to do with my ability. The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. It was not until I got together with almost every other golfer played and realized most like as in 90% were just like me which was a work in progress. It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). Golf Concepts - This is Justin Thomas TrackMan Numbers. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] Vokey (TVD SM7 RAW 52 & SM6 RAW 58)- DG S400 [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] They are clean and contemporary. Its about 20% less when comparing PGA vs LPGA. Ever found a yardage you like? Club head speed is around 90 MPH giving me a distance of 214 yrds. I spent a year playing by myself getting lessons finding a swing and just focused on having fun. As a whole PGA pros hit their pitching wedge an average carry distance of 141 yards. Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. We share your golf passion. On the longest drive, the projected distance(without the slice) was 332 yards. Most of my longer clubs only just creep above the 200 yd mark. But you also have to add in the slight mishits, the rainy days, and the balls that land in the rough. When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] [/quote] Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Another added complication when it comes to comparing the distances that the pros hit their wedges is the differing lofts each of them often carries for seemingly the same club. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Knowing what club to hit based on distance and the safest place to aim based on dispersion tendencies will undoubtedly benefit the golfer. TrackMan Ball Speed 176.38 To me, working on improving distance happens only after theyve advanced beyond the AMA category. WebJon Rahm TrackMan Numbers. My average distance was 235-245. Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] On average PGA Tour pros hit a 3-wood a carry distance of 249 yards. I know his swing speed with driver is up around 120mph but thats all they seem to show on tv. When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. These 23 heads are available in three finishes: Jet Black, Tour Chrome and Brushed Steel. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver.