Great job adding a bit of levity! What an extensive list. People can ask for clarification if they want. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! Many on here were saved at a IFB church. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. 33. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. 40. 12. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. 7 You hypocrites! Simply not true. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. Its pure manipulation. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. I can not forgive sins! I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . No member shall They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Im still separate I have just decided to sin. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. Southern Baptist Beliefs 49. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. 15. His son a child murderer. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. I prefer Kjv! The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. Baptist Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. Well I am a little confused. My jabs are defensive in nature. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. I love this!! 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. The two are completely unrelated. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. N/A Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. OMG = Oh My Goodness! Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. The members were so sweet to us. 3. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. Whats wrong with a tract rack? If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. See if you recognize any. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). The bitterness argument has been answered many times. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Read Matthew 23 for more information. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. Does the lord convict me when I miss? 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. They had made an idol out of church attendance. 6. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. Again its too legalistic. Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. 7. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. 1 John 1:9 If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. LOL. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. They bought your loyalty. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. Hypocrites! If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve You are correct! You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. How will you escape the judgment of hell? 31. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. 41. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. That apparently is what Christ would do. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. I dont know what Daves intentions were. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! They are already spelled out in the Bible. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. 25. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. All I do is reply to comments. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. These are right on the money! G. M. Matheny. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. I forgave him before he changed. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! Independent Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 16. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. 2. OMG! I have read other versions of the Bible. Thank God for grace! If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 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